mmm-yoso is the food blog. Cathy is writing about a meal she makes for less than $5 for two. Again.
Happy New Year everyone, and thank you for the good wishes. I hope 2009 is good for all of us.
Here I am again, on a Friday, posting about a meal you can make for two for $5, using ingredients on sale this week…or in the future. It is a simple version of chicken and dumplings which I like better than the one on a box of "biscuit mix". 
(If you have cravings, which I understand completely, this is a very easy way to satisfy those cravings).
The main ingredients (which do not have to be name brand) are 32 ounces of Chicken STOCK (it has been made with vegetables and has more flavor than broth; most boxed stocks are on sale this week for $2 for 32 ounces), two cans of cream of chicken soup (the generic is just as flavorful as name brand and so go by price), a can of FLAKY biscuits-jumbo or small- and some leftover cooked chicken. Chicken legs and thighs are on sale for 99¢/lb, or you can cook a chicken, depending on the price (I could only find whole chicken for $1.59/lb this week…) if you need a calculator to figure this one out, call me or send an email…
Yes. Canned biscuits. When I grew up, mom called them "Ballard Biscuits" and when I lived in the South, people called them "Dumpling Biscuits". For what it is worth, The Mister made a horrible face and was prepared to not like this recipe when he heard how I made it (with the canned biscuits), but He really liked the taste the first time and every time since.
Also, flour, salt and pepper. I always use white pepper. It has heat, but tastes kind of nutmeg-esque to me. Also, you don't see pepper flakes on everything.
Pour the stock and the soup into a pot and bring to a boil. (one hint: I do not put all the stock in at first, use it to "rinse" out the soup can, instead of trying to scrape out bits of soup- you are not adding water to this).
Heat to boiling, then you will bring it to a very low simmer, while in the meantime,
you have opened the can of biscuits, divided the flaky layers into thirds, and coated each 1/3 of a biscuit in the flour/salt/pepper mix.
You are then going to tear each layer of floured flaky goodness into thirds again (making each biscuit into nine pieces).
You then drop your 1/3 of a 1/3 biscuit, piece by piece, individually, into the pot of (now simmering) broth/cream soup mix.
YOU *NEVER* STIR THIS OR YOU WILL END UP WITH DUMPLING FLAVORED SOUP
Press the 'dumplings' down into the liquid.
Let this simmer for at least 15 minutes. More like 20… It can go longer. Remember, dumplings are soft, not crispy… They are cooked.
See?
Meanwhile, press in the leftover chicken. So it can warm up.
Serve. It probably does not need any additional seasoning. 
Cathy's Chicken and Dumplings
1 box (32 ounces) chicken STOCK, 2 cans cream of chicken soup. Mix and heat to boiling. Put to low simmer.
One can refrigerated flaky biscuits, flour, salt and pepper. Divide the flaked layers of one biscuit into three, dip in flour, salt, pepper mix.
Divide those floured flakes layers into three pieces each and drop individually into simmering broth/soup mix. NEVER STIR-push the pieces down into the liquid. Let stay at very low boil for 15-20 minutes.
Add shredded/chopped leftover chicken (about 2 cups) , again pressing into pot until heated through. Serve.
Southern Plate's Southern Chicken and Dumplings recipe can be found here.
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
It’s not difficult or expensive to mix up flour, baking powder, and salt with some melted butter in hot milk. Spoon those into some simmering broth, put on a lid and steam before adding sauteed vegetables and shredded chicken, and you have a homemade, inexpensive dinner that I daresay will taste better than this. This is, of course, just a suggestion. I usually keep these thoughts to myself after reading the Friday posts, but after this one, I just can’t remain mute. Canned biscuits are just pitiful. You don’t even have to knead and shape dumplings–they’re a drop biscuit anyone can make by hand. Really, they’re easier and so much better than torn up canned biscuits.
Oh wow, Dobbson. I got you to come out of lurking. Welcome to the commenting side of the blog.
Amy- I hear you, and I have made chicken and dumplings in the “from scratch” way and this way…and really, the canned biscuits have the same flavor and texture of drop biscuits *in this recipe* (but canned biscuits should not be used in all situations, in fact this is the only reason I buy them). Really, both your way and mine are dropping raw dough into hot liquid. I just don’t have to measure or mix or have as much to clean up afterwards.
I understand the cleanup issue, but as for measuring, this is why I bought a digital kitchen scale. It saves me a good deal of time and cleanup, because all I have to wash is the bowl, and whatever I use to heat the milk and butter. I will admit that the main reason I cook from scratch is because of food sensitivities that make convenience items like canned biscuits a problem. But, I have to say that there is a big difference in both texture and flavor between canned and from scratch. From scratch do not have a long list of ingredients that are included in the canned, and I can taste the difference. I hope that you can taste the difference too. I’m sorry but I’ve got to stick to that point–chicken and dumplings is one dish in which it really is worth the trouble of a little cleanup.
i’ve gotta agree with amy here. i would much rather make dumplings from scratch. on the other hand, i would never make drop dumplings. blech! delaware-style slippery dumplings are in my blood.
The texture difference between canned and scratch is different Amy, because the definition of ‘dumpling’ is different regionally. I grew up in the North and found a different way to make the dumpling while living in the South and mid-Atlantic region, with a texture that is closer to what Dave likes-the Delaware style slippery dumplings- which have shortening as an ingredient. I do like to try different recipes, and if I like one, I stick with it, or end up going back to it. Sometimes it is easier to make things from scratch and sometimes I like to just eat tasty things. Fortunately I don’t have any food sensitivities.
Dave-thanks for the reminder of what those dumplings are called. If you have tasted dumplings made my way and don’t like them, that is fine. I think some people are reading the recipe and looking at the ingredients and only imagining what it might taste like. It really is good this way. I won’t blog recipes of things I haven’t made or don’t like.
Amy and Dave are correct, but that won’t matter to Cathy, who is typically unwilling to hear dissenting views about her preferences in food.
That Cathy has cooked something, or likes the way it tastes, are not reliable indications that the dish will in fact be good. In fact, having reread many of her posts today, I’ve determined that the opposite is true; you can use Cathy as a sort of “Bizzaro World” guide to bad cuisine.
I note that the sorts of dishes Cathy describes each Friday often originated with working-class women forced to sustain their families on a few dollars per meal. I grew up with such women, and recognized early on that it’s cheaper to cook a meal – really cook one, with all the shopping, chopping, heat and mess that goes with the effort – than it is to lay out processed, packaged and pre-mixed foods, incidentally indicating to your diners that you don’t give a damn what they think about the meal. It’s also healthier and more fun to do it the right way.
It’s time to put an end to the “Friday Freak Show”. Serious eaters and cooks read this blog, across the country and around the world; these homespun homilies to white trash cuisine are an embarrassment.
Perhaps Cathy should START lurking, leaving discussions of food and cooking to those with functional taste buds in their heads.
http://www.southernplate.com/2008/07/how-to-make-southern-chicken-and.html
Greg, et al: I just found this (above) blog and post about chicken and dumplings just today. A link is now included in my post.
Regions of the United States vary. I have lived in many of them and have adapted my way of eating in all of them.
That recipe is very similar to mine and the comments made in that blog are in no way as negative as I have seen here. By referring to people who live in the South (and who have made and do make this recipe) as ‘white trash’ you are insulting a good portion of the population of these United States.
I am more than willing to hear dissenting views, but until you have tried the recipe and *then* do not like it, I will wait to discuss. Please do not tell me what I do or do not like.
This is a blog. An anonymous diary of what Kirk, ed and I eat. That is it. We do not claim to be experts nor professionals. We don’t make health claims nor advertise. It is a public diary.
If you grew up with working class women who stretched a dollar, Greg, I would think they would have taught you to respect others, especially in a public comment section (since you gave me a fake email address and we cannot discuss in private.).
Let me guess, Greg is the same cheerful fellow who hates tuna casserole? Greg, here’s a thought: Cathy contributes to this blog for fun. You don’t have to agree with her. You don’t have to read it. But your insulting comments certainly tell us a lot about you. Why don’t you read Amy’s thoughtful posts disagreeing with Cathy and learn something in this new year?
Nodding at dissent then steamrolling over it isn’t the same as hearing it. I’ve yet to see you reply to a contradictory comment by acknowledging that you might have been wrong, or misguided, or uninformed, three things I can swear have been the case from time to time.
As for “don’t knock it til you’ve tried it”, what are you, my dad? I don’t have to eat a handful of mud to know it won’t be tasty. One thing you do bring to this forum is a talent for description; relying on your words, I’m often sure that what you recommend would be awful.
Sure my email address is fake. I’ve seen how you abuse those who express honest disagreement with your opinions, and I have no intention of allowing you to inflict that grief on me via private email.
I mean, just look at your prickly response to my comments. One might assume I’d called you an idiot, when all I did was suggest that you have poor taste in food (which is no crime, Cathy; it’s just a waste of time for those who like reading Kirk and Ed).
Finally, I give you more respect than you give the readers of this blog. At least I make sure that my comments and recommendations will serve the public good.
Geez, folks, I haven’t seen so much gang tackling since the Rose Bowl.
While this blog aims to please, nobody (well except for Kirk) pays for it.
Not all recipes are aimed at the same audience. Not everyone reading this blog has the same culinary skills. If some recipe seems below one’s level of expertise, well so be it.
Like Amy, I tend to avoid store-packaged stuff and prefer to work from scratch, but not everyone can make a good biscuit batter – my mother sure couldn’t.
In my family, we would have cooked the chicken from scratch, making a thick soup, and then added egg noodles to soak up the extra liquid. Good, but not southern chicken ‘n’ biscuits.
Sometimes, I read one of Cathy’s recipes, and realize it’s not for me, but I have done her meatloaf and the brussel sprouts and bacon (in fact, that one was part of Christmas this year) and I really appreciate her sharing these with us.
Fast, cheap and easy can be very good things. In fact, back when I was in college . . .
Rooney,
I am, in fact, cheerful, and I have no opinion of tuna casserole, having never eaten it (though I’d have to say, it doesn’t sound very appealing).
While I appreciate your effort to keep the peace and protect Cathy, you’d have to admit that, as this is a public forum, not a clubhouse for the Super Friends, all opinions based in fact and/or on good faith are valid and appropriate, even if they don’t sound nice.
The notion that I should avoid reading what I disagree with strikes me as odd. I live on a street with speed bumps, which bug me every time I cross them, but I still drive home every night.
Finally,I haven’t said anything that I can’t either back up with a quote from Cathy’s writing or with a convincing argument. Just like Amy did.
Greg, ordinarily I wouldnt waste my time responding, again, to you. But I will because you are typical of people who cross the line between offering criticism and being downright insulting. Re-read your original post (yes, Greg, I’m really not telling you not to read blogs). You managed to include at least five insulting comments in such a short space. (Bizarro world ((bizarre mispelled but I shouldnt criticize in an insulting way, so forget that), friday freak show, homespun homilies to white trash cuisine, tell cathy to quit bloggin, oh, and her tastebuds are non-functional) Classy guy. with a fake email address.
I’m tied up at the moment. Does anyone else want to explain Bizzaro World to rooney? As for the rest of it, I’ll get back to him shortly.
rooney,
First, let me say that I do not regret my choices of words today. To the contrary, I spent a lot of time finding just the right phrases to express my opinions, and if anything, I’m a bit proud of the results.
All the writers here are serious about what they craft. I don’t like Cathy’s taste in food or her defensiveness, but she’s a damned good writer. Kirk should be writing travel books, or articles for Bon Apetit. Ed has a happy, naturally breezy style that, frankly, makes me want to move to Yuma.
Insulting? Not to anyone who takes time to understand WHAT I’ve said, instead of reacting to the sounds of the words.
To your points:
Re: Bizarro World
“In the Bizarro world of “Htrae” (“Earth” spelled backwards), society is ruled by the Bizarro Code which states “Us do opposite of all Earthly things!”
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizzaro_world)
Also:
You said, “You don’t have to read it.”
I said, “The notion that I should avoid reading what I disagree with strikes me as odd.”
Where exactly did we disconnect?
As for my other comments, I stand behind them, finding them supportable after reading Cathy’s blog entries and comments for the past few months.
Finally, I agree with you; you shouldn’t have wasted your time responding to me, and I have a question for you: Is this really the sort of forum you want to participate in? Though your comments slighted me personally, you offered no real discussion of the subjects we’ve raised today. If there’s something specific I’ve said that you disagree with, please discuss it; I remain ready to be wrong.
PS Kindly note that, for the purpose of advancing serious thought, I have refrained from saying what, eventually, must be said: “Neener, neener, neener.”
When Cathy reviewed her hotel waffle maker, I assumed her posts were in jest. Are you telling me this is not the case?
Cathy, I’ve made the slippery dumplings you mention, rolling out the dough and cutting into strips. Those aren’t the dumplings I grew up eating in central Kentucky. Drop dumplings are what near everyone does there, so yeah, it’s probably a matter of personal preference. (I also prefer drop biscuits to the flaky, layered kind, even though those were more common in KY.) I can’t try your recipe unless I can find canned biscuit dough without corn or soy ingredients, but honestly, I’ve stopped looking because homemade are that much better, less expensive, and not that difficult once you get the technique down. Shirley Corriher’s recipes in BakeWise and CookWise are what turned me on to the drop method. She describes the technique really well, as well as the chemistry involved. If you ever have a slow weekend, check her out at your library and give the recipe a try. I can’t help but want to make a drop dumpling convert of you! Of course, I will continue to read even if some of the recipes are ones I’d never be able to try.
BTW, to other commenters, my mom was a working mom in the seventies, but rarely resorted to these kind of processed foods at our family dinners. I thank her for giving me a taste for what I consider home cooking, otherwise described as “from scratch.” Greg, maybe the women you grew up with didn’t care about what they were feeding your family, but it’s unfair to ascribe that attitude to every other woman who serves the same sort of food. I am concerned that in this poor economy, our food choices will dwindle in many parts of the country as smaller, locally owned restaurants, delis, meat markets, produce vendors, and groceries close while McDonalds and Walmart thrive. We have an opportunity here to help others learn real thrift in home cooking rather than relying on more expensive convenience or fast foods. It doesn’t help matters to insult one another.
Amy,
Apparently, I’ve allowed legitimate criticism to be mistaken for insult. I didn’t mean to say that “the women [I]grew up with didn’t care about what they were feeding [our] family.”
Just the opposite; I was sure I’d agreed with you, Amy. I meant to convey that these women had taught me that it’s “cheaper to cook a meal – really cook one, with all the shopping, chopping, heat and mess that goes with the effort – than it is to lay out processed, packaged and pre-mixed foods, incidentally indicating to your diners that you don’t give a damn what they think about the meal. It’s also healthier and more fun to do it the right way.”
Sorry for any misunderstanding.
I am deeply dissappointed that the comments – remember, this is not a forum, but the comments have dropped into the depths of name calling. I am all for different opinions, and do respect those that are not what I call “drive by trolling”, I learn something new everyday….. But I need to take full responsibility for this. Why? Because the Missus requested a fast Chicken and Dumpling Recipe from Cathy. I’m also very worried that folks think phrases such as:
“a sort of “Bizzaro World” guide to bad cuisine”
“homespun homilies to white trash cuisine are an embarrassment”
” have refrained from saying what, eventually, must be said: “Neener, neener, neener.”
isn’t in some way insulting. I’m also one of the few remaining blogs that refuse to moderate. Cathy is too nice to mention that it was I who requested this. So by all means lay it at my door. The fact of the matter is, that unlike the street on your drive home, you can avoid this blog if you don’t like it, really, you can. Perhaps, our time as a blog has come to an end….if this is what the future is like, and this is what is relevant, why keep going?
It looks like I misread your post, Greg, sorry. My point stands, however, that it’s meanspirited (and frankly, just plain wrong) to say every woman who cooks in a particular way is doing so because she doesn’t care about her family’s opinion of the food. There are so many reasons that people eat the way they do. Without getting all sociological, this sort of generalization is just not that useful and IMO, a sign of bad faith. Please, rein yourself in a bit, for the good of all here. There are more constructive ways to voice your opinions, surely.
Yesterday, I posted comments to Amy and Dave about their response to Cathy’s recipe for $5 Chicken and Dumplings. The points I made to Amy and Dave were that:
– Cathy is typically unwilling to hear dissenting views about her preferences in food
– [if] Cathy has cooked something, or likes the way it tastes, [those are] not reliable indications that the dish will in fact be good
[referring to “$5 Fridays”] “these homespun homilies to white trash cuisine are an embarrassment”
– Cathy doesn’t have functional taste buds
I wish to apologize to Cathy and to yoso readers for the “reliable indications” and “taste bud” comments.
Regarding the first, I should have said, “…not reliable indications that the dish will taste good to me.” As to the second, of course, suggesting that Cathy doesn’t have functional taste buds was inaccurate, and, on rereading, it strikes me as personally insulting, something I never intended.
I got caught up in what I was writing and didn’t stop to consider that everyone’s taste is different, and while I may disagree with Cathy about what tastes good, I should have focused on the food, not on the writer.
Finally, an explanation: I have used an alias and false email account to protect my privacy. yoso posters like Cathy can send email to commenters privately, and having no desire to engage with Cathy in other than this public forum, I chose not to provide her that opportunity. For those who’ve criticized this decision, I ask you to consider whether you’d send me YOUR email address. I don’t think so. I appreciate the chance to discuss our opinions here, in the open, where public scrutiny can weed out the substantive from the self-indulgent.
Hi Amy,
Thanks for writing back.
What I wrote to you originally was, “to lay out processed, packaged and pre-mixed foods, incidentally [indicates] to your diners that you don’t give a damn what they think about the meal.
I didn’t mean to suggest that “every woman who cooks in a particular way is doing so because she doesn’t care about her family’s opinion of the food.”
If I read you right, you accept that a person (let’s leave women alone… both sexes sport crappy cooks) can raise a family on Hamburger Helper and Cheez Whiz and truly believe they’re serving up tasty, nutritous meals that serve the family well. Please tell me if I misunderstand you on this point.
For myself, I think people serve such food with a disregard not only for its immediate effects but without considering that, in the long term, they’re training their kids to think that that’s what good food is.
So people are forgetting how to cook: go to your standard supermarket and try to buy any but the most basic spices; more and more, they come mixed together in flavor combinations. Schools sell soft drinks, and energy drinks, and potato chips. Oh, and of course, there’s the whole diabetes thing.
There’s no snobbery in what I say. I’m not advocating for “six green beans, artfully displayed on a plate”. I’m suggesting that cooked is better than heated up. That’s all.
“Greg”- Since you pointedly did not apologize for two statements in your latest comment, let me address those first.
A) I BLOG about what I like, what I eat. I do not tell you, or anyone, that you should or should not like something. This is a BLOG- an online, open diary of what we eat. Period. (**Not** a FORUM, of which there are many, moderated ones, all over the internet, with different subjects being discussed).
I state that things are spicy or not spicy and fresh or not and if they satisfy me or not. Nothing more. Kirk and ed do the same. We are not advertising for any restaurant nor claiming to be a resource and end all experts in anything. This is a hobby, not a profession.
Comments are made about the post to which the comments section is attached to. A general discussion about food is not usually made on this BLOG.
2. As far as being a “homespun homily to white trash cooking”, that is an insulting term to everyone who lives in the South and reads and comments on the SoutherPlate.com blog, which I added a link to at the end of my post. The 30+ people who commented on the Chicken and Dumplings recipe that was posted earlier this year, indicating that was exactly how they make their dumplings, or that they had tried the recipe and loved it are not a minority.
i. The fact that you have stated repeatedly that my posts are an embarassment is a direct insult. Again, this is a BLOG, not some website to be used as a be all end all resource for everything about food. It is a few of us doing something different that we do in our normal, paid professions. We are (or at least were) having fun just talking about food we eat in an anonymous way. I posted a recipe I have made in excess of 20 years.
III. You stated you have seen how we (or I) “abuse” people who have differing opinions and you did not wish to talk in private.
a)I merely wanted to let you know, in private, that Kirk specifically requested a fast simple chicken and dumpling recipe this week, for The Missus. That fact did not need to be brought out in public by me, nor by Kirk, who as you see, is now seriously considering stopping this blog altogether. Because of your comments. Which could have been stopped, or at least toned down, if I could have made things clear in private.
B. Do not ever accuse me or anyone on this blog of abusing anyone’s email address. That is a lie without substance. Abuse of email is an extremely strong concept in this day of internet fraud. Saying any of us abuse the private email addresses we get is prejudicial.
I will not bother commenting further to you “Greg”, as I think I have made myself clear. You were deliberately mean, telling me to start lurking and stop contributing to discussions of food and cooking.
That’s what bullies do.
ed, Amy, Rooney- Thank you for commenting in a constructive way.
Birdie- you mean the ubiquitous, infamous commercial waffle machine from http://www.wafflesnw.com? God I am fascinated with that machine! I posted on it when we were driving home from Detroit after Thanksgiving last year…oh, now that is a hotel breakfast treat memory which will stick with me forever… 🙂
Greg, you mentioned “working class women” in that same paragraph. It’s no leap on my part to draw the conclusion the people who “don’t give a damn” are such working class female cooks. But, gender aside, it’s at best inappropriate to comment with such generalizations about people’s behavior.
“If I read you right, you accept that a person (let’s leave women alone… both sexes sport crappy cooks) can raise a family on Hamburger Helper and Cheez Whiz and truly believe they’re serving up tasty, nutritous meals that serve the family well. Please tell me if I misunderstand you on this point.” I’m afraid you do misunderstand me. I’m saying I don’t know what such cooks believe, nor would I assume to know. You’d have to talk with those cooks to know their beliefs. I think quite honestly, that you and I are of the same school about cooking, but approach talking with others differently. Honey or vinegar. I’m inclined to thinking I’ll get more people to try cooking from scratch with honey.
Cathy,
Your last comment sidesteps the issues I’ve raised and just talks about what a terrible person I am for insulting you. I understand that you’re uninterested in discussing the points I’ve made. It’s clear, both from this series of exchanges and from your past posts, that you just want to be offended, and right. So okay… a)sorry you’re offended, and b) you’re right. Enjoy that.
Amy,
Thanks for your kind, and considered, comments. It’s gratifying to have at least one reader take the time to understand what I said, without being “… shocked… shocked…” at the sound of the words.
Kirk,
Apparently, I misunderstood the purpose of public forums like yoso. I’d thought they were platforms for the open exchange of ideas on whatever subject was raised by the poster. I expected that any considered opinion, however disagreeable, was appropriate for presentation to the readers.
I’ll do you the favor of not inflicting my opinions on your readers any more. Do yourself a favor, and shut down the comments feature of yoso; you and Cathy can easily write your own accolades, saving the readers the trouble of thinking for themselves.
Oh, boo hoo. I somehow insulted the south. Does this mean I’m banned from Hometown buffet as well?
Check it out… I read this blog, subscribe to the RSS feeds, have gone to many places after reading Kirk’s reviews and can’t wait to try Vampire Tacos when I’m in Yuma.
That’s why I read this blog. If I want to learn how to squirt ketchup into macaroni and cheese for a daring excursion into welfare cuisine, then I’ll just read the inside of the box.
Seriously, I noticed santuckylife.blogspot.com isn’t being used. You should take the big step and start your own blog about how many donuts it takes to wake up in the morning and restore this blog to it’s respected and valuable state.
That is all.
Way to flounder, Greg. Totally invalidates every inspired and well crafted comment you made previously. Stand by your guns or lie down and admit weakness.
Cathy has ruined this blog. Kirk and Ed talk about unique and interesting places to eat. Cathy talks about how to live and eat like you’re on welfare.
Which one of these is not like the other? Which one does not belong?
Dobbson, Decimator (if those are your real names…)
Now? NOW you decide to ring in? LOL…
I’ve spent the past day, and waaaay more time than the effort warranted, trying to spark a conversation about good food, bad food, the place of food in our culture, anything substantive.
But for Amy, I haven’t found anyone whose feelings aren’t more important to them than their ideas. Since I have no desire to hurt anyone’s feelings, and I can’t get anyone to discuss their thoughts, I bailed. If you guys want to take a crack at it, I’ll monitor and ring in if I think I can add to the discussion.
Good luck.